Initiative ranks in Forever
- Rank 1 Gives you a 33% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
- Rank 2 Gives you a 67% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
- Rank 3 Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
What Initiative does in Classic Era
Forever changed this talent. The Classic Era wording is kept here rank for rank so the two can be read side by side.
- Rank 1 Gives you a 25% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
- Rank 2 Gives you a 50% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
- Rank 3 Gives you a 75% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Where Initiative sits in the Subtlety tree
Initiative is a Subtlety talent for Rogue. You need 10 points in Subtlety before the row it sits on opens.
- Same row: Premeditation, Serrated Blades
How often people take Initiative
40 of the 153 public Rogue builds saved here (26%) put at least one point in Initiative. Counted across the 1500 most viewed and voted public builds on this site. These are builds players made for themselves before the game is playable, so read them as what people are trying, not as advice.
Builds that take Initiative
7 of the public Rogue builds written up here spend points on Initiative.
- Rogue Subtlety 7/8/24 · 3/3 , 27 up
- Rogue Subtlety 5/12/23 · 3/3 , 5 up
- Rogue Subtlety 6/8/22 · 2/3 , 2 up
- Rogue Subtlety 6/8/18 · 2/3
- Rogue Subtlety 7/8/19 · 3/3
- Rogue Subtlety 5/12/18 · 3/3
- Rogue Subtlety 5/0/19 · 3/3
Where this came from
Changed in Forever.
- Forever client build 1.60.1.70755
- the WoW: Forever client's hotfix cache, 4 November 2026 (DBCache.bin, build 70755)